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STRETCH
12-09-2010, 11:03 PM
Brake Pads

D.P. HH front brake pads.these aren't cheap but they will stop you on a dime with 9 cents change.
very strong inital bite and they just bite harder the more you pull.
I paid $80 for the front pads on my bandit (6 piston Tokikos) and combined with steel braided brake lines I could stand the bike on its front tire with a firm one finger pull.

I actualy found the initial bite to be too strong for my liking and it took alot of concentration to scrub off just a little speed when traction was compromised.

These things are NOISY

E.B.C. HH brake pads

my curent choice on my bike (front).
around $70 for both front
initial bite is not much stronger then stock organic pads but maximum braking is much greater. (2 fingers will loft the rear tire on this bike) the increase if fairly linear and while they aren't silent they are quieter then the DP pads.
These are my favorite pads for front brakes.
I find them easy to modulate in all situations while still providing tenatious stopping power when needed.

sixity sintered brake pads

I ran these last year.
they were only $30 for sintered pads
they provide a little more inital bite then the stock oganic pads and a little more maximum stopping power.
They are a good value for the price, but I will continue to use E.B.C HH pads on the front, even at 4 1/2 times the price.
I depend to heavily on my front brakes, and the E.B.C pads just do everything better.
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Gold Fren brake pads

I tried this (new to me) inexpensive brand for a rear brake pad.
I was pleasantly suprised with its performance.
I will not be replacing my EBC HH front pads, but I like them.

they came with HH proudly displayed on the front of the package.
this is complete BS. the initial bite may actualy be a little less then stock (I find this a good thing on the easily locked rear tire) however under hard braking the goldfren brake pads do provide more braking force then the stock pads. The increase in braking force is linear and progressive. very easy to modulate, and may actualy encourage me to use more rear brake in my riding. Recently I had shyed away from using rear brake at all in the twisties due to repeated problems with locking the rear under hard braking.

for comparison purposes I went out today and rode with my Sumitomo stock pads using rear brake in verying situations before swapping to the new gold fren pads.
I reused the metal shims from the sumitomo pads on the new goldfren pads.

these Gold Fren pads recieved alot of negative press from the same person posting on several forums. Granted I have not tried them as a front brake pad but for the rear I think these are an excelent value, and curently my prefered pad on the rear.

kevlar brake pads from D2MOTO
these pads were only $12 plus shipping
Initial impressions were "aaaaagggggggghhhhhhh I'M NOT STOPPING"
However once bedded in (about 1-200 miles) stopping power was = or greater then stock pads. inital bite is very light and grows very linearly to a max just shy of being able to lift the rear wheel. It is much easier to precisely modulate braking pressure when trying to scrub off just a little speed. However stopping distance is increased when compared to a HH rated brake pad like the ones from DP or EBC. It also requires nearly twice the lever pressure to obtain the same stopping speed under normal driving conditions. I was forced to add steel braided brake lines in order to apply suficient pad pressure for quick stops. This would have negated the cost savings of the cheaper pads, but I had some lines (not intended for this bike) that I made work.

An update on the D2MOTO carbon Kevlar pads. I've grown to realy like these pads under most circumstances. they are very linear with a light initial grab (good for scrubbing off just a little bit of speed) but powerful enough to loft the rear wheel with a 4 finger squeeze when combined with steel brake lines.
There is one very serious concern I have discovered recently. When riding in a hard rain a much harder squeeze is required to obtain the same braking force. A light one finger squeeze provided frighteningly little effect. This may be a deal braker for me. Too bad realy because like I said I've grown to realy like them under most circumstances.

STRETCH
12-09-2010, 11:07 PM
ALL REVIEWS ARE SUBJECTIVE !!!!!!
although wear rate is derived from actual recorded numbers, i will not post milage numbers due to massive variations in wear rates between riders but only a comparison between different tires as calculated by my personal wear rates. your results may very.
I will use a 1-5 rating scale except for turn in speed since some prefer a fast turn in while others prefer slower.
1=terible
2=poor
3=average
4=good
5=excelent

Tires
this may be a long one.
for comparison purposes I will use the wear rate of the standard Michelin Pilot power as "average" this is a tire alot of people are familiar with.

pilot power tire
wear rate 3
warm up speed 3
turn in speed quick
warm grip 4
cold grip 3
wet traction 5


pilot power 2ct
same as above

pilot pure 2ct
wear rate 3
turn in speed average
warm up speed 3
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

macadam 90
wear rate 4.5
warm up speed 4
turn in speed slow
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

macadam 100
waer rate 4
warm up spped 3
turn in speed slow
warm traction 2
cold traction 2

pilot road
wear rate 5
warm up speed 1
turn in speed slow
warm traction 1
cold traction 2

pilot road 2
wear rate 3 to 5 (Inconsistent )
warm up speed 3
turn in speed quick
warm grip 3
cold grip 2
wet traction 3


pilot race H2 soft
wear rate 1
warm up speed 4
turn in speed extremely fast
warm grip 6
cold grip 3

metzler Z4
wear rate 5
warm up speed 5
turn in speed average
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

metzler Z6
wear rate 4
warm up speed 3
turn in speed very slow
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

tomahawk T1
wear rate 4-7 (Inconsistent )
warm up speed 3 to 4
turn in slow
warm grip 2 to 3
cold grip 2 to 3

tomahawk T3
wear rate 3.5
warm up speed 3
turn in speed average
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

Conti. road attack
wear rate 4.5
warm up speed 3
turn in speed slightly quick
warm grip 4
cold grip 4
wet grip 1

conti force
wear rate 2
warm up speed 4
turn in speed average
warm grip 4
cold frip 3

BT014
wear rate 3(veried significantly with tire pressure)
warm up speed 3(veried significantly with tire pressure)
turn in speed fast (veried significantly with tire pressure)
warm grip 4 (veried significantly with tire pressure)
cold grip 2

BT014F factory on ZX14 and other bikes
wear rate 1.5
warm up speed 3(veried significantly with tire pressure)
turn in speed pretty fast
warm grip 1-3 depending on weather it overheats
cold grip 2
this is the first and only tire I've ever had over heat and get greassy at an agressive street pace.


BT021
wear rate 6 rear 3 front
warm up speed 4
turn in speed average
warm grip 4
cold grip 4

B850
wear rate 5
warm up speed 4
turn in speed slow
warm traction 2
cold traction 2

maxis
wear rate 3.5
warm up speed 2
turn in speed slow
warm grip 3
cold grip 2

Dunlop 208
wear rate 3.5
warm up speed 3
turn in speed average
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

dunlop 208 GP
wear rate 2.5
warm up speed 4
turn in speed fast
warm grip 5
cold grip 4

Dunlop 211 GP
wear rate 2.5
warm up speed 2
turn in speed fast
warm grip 6
cold grip 0


shinko podium
wear rate 3
warm up speed 5
turn in speed average
warm traction 4
cold traction 4
wet traction 5

shinko raven
wear rate 5
warm up speed 4
turn in speed slow
warm traction 2
cold traction 4

Shinko Apex
wear rate 2
warm up speed 4
turn in speed medium/slow
warm traction 3
cold traction UNK
wet traction 2

Full bore USA ((constant head shake))
wear rate 3.5
warm up speed 3
turn in speed average
warm grip 3
cold grip 3

pireli diablo
wear rate 2
warm up speed 2
turn in speed average
warm grip 4
cold grip 3

pireli diablo strada
wear rate 3
warm up speed 2
turn in speed average
warm grip 3
cold grip 3.5
Dunlop road smart
wear rate sides3 center probably 5-6 didn't even get near the wear bars in the center before the sides were gone
warm up speed 2
turn in speed average
warm grip 4
cold grip 3.5
dunlop Q2
wear rate 3
warm up speed 3
turn in speed quick
warm grip 4

Desmo Demon
12-09-2010, 11:27 PM
E.B.C. HH brake pads

my curent choice on my bike (front).
around $140 for both front
initial bite is not much stronger then stock organic pads but maximum braking is much greater. (2 fingers will loft the rear tire on this bike) the increase if fairly linear and while they aren't silent they are quieter then the DP pads.
These are my favorite pads for front brakes.
I find them easy to modulate in all situations while still providing tenatious stopping power when needed.
I agree with the above.

I have been running the EBC HH pads on both my Ducati ST2 and my 748, but I hate to think they cost as much as you state for your FZ! I usually can find a decent deal for my Ducati bikes for $50-$60 total for both sets on the front. I think the last set I bought was $50-$55 for two sets. ( Example - http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/catalog/ducati/brake_pads.html )

You are probably just remembering incorrectly. You probably paid half that for the pair and are thinking that the price was just for one set.

http://store.58cycle.com/product_p/ebc%20frt%20fz1%2001-04.htm

They are good pads, I really like them, and I don't want you to scare people with the price you quoted. ;)

BTW, I think Vicki has some Ferodo (sp?) sintered HH pads on the front of her R1, and she doesn't seem to notice much of a difference between her stock '00 R1 pads and these HH pads. I remember when I first put the EBC HH pads on my ST2. I was coming up to a stop and purposely hit the brakes harder than usual - to get a chirping sound from the front tire as it was skidding across the asphalt.

STRETCH
12-10-2010, 12:25 AM
I think your right.
I may have doubled the price of both the DP and EBC pads.
I'll edit my post to avoid confusion.

sprint_st
12-10-2010, 09:45 AM
ALL REVIEWS ARE SUBJECTIVE !!!!!!

Definitely agree!!!
A lot depends on bike and rider. My Tiger likes the EBC HH's up front but you don't want them on the rear, EBC organics work much better. Less bite and less chance of locking the rear.

I've just come off of two sets of Pirelli Angels. They handle OK but the only thing I would comment on is they don't last as long as marketing would lead you to believe. Rear lasted in the low 4K's and the front made it to about 5K. The rear disappears fast in the last K and the front gets a bit squirrely in those final days.

RyanK
12-10-2010, 10:58 AM
ALL REVIEWS ARE SUBJECTIVE !!!!!!

Tires
this may be a long one.
for comparison purposes I will use the standard Michelin Pilot power as this is a tire alot of people are familiar with.

pilot road
wear rate average
warm up spedd it dosen't
turn in speed slow
warm traction very poor
cold traction poor

pilot road 2
wear rate medium
warm up speed medium
turn in speed quick
warm grip average
cold grip poor

I've ran the Road's and tend to agree. I got pretty good mileage out of them though.

I am running road 2's now, and have to disagree on 1 point for sure, the turn in speed is very s...l...o...w... compared to the Road's, conti road attacks, Pirelli Diablo's, and BT-016's... They sure ride well though!!! I've not ridden a better TOURING-sport tire (great comfort with pretty good handling to boot with a slow wear rate).

I also am running the EBC pads on front, and love them too. Still running stockers on rear, and I'll turn 34k today!

STRETCH
12-10-2010, 03:26 PM
check out the updated tire reviews
now using a numeric scale for easier comparisons
25 different tires so far

STRETCH
12-10-2010, 06:38 PM
after market seats

for comparison purposes I will rate comfort by comparing milage travled wearing jeans before but pain becomes excruciating. obviously this is extremely subjective. once again I will convert my milage to a 1 to 5 rating scale for easier comparison purposes.
1 is poor 5 is excelent.

spencer seat mod
comfort 2
cost 5
build quality 2
appearence 2
factory seat with foam cut and or replaced.

sargent seat
comfort 3
cost 2
build quality 4
appearence 5
a light weight plastic (faux carbon) seat pan with marine grade vinyl and very soft memory foam. many include an underseat storage tube.

corbin seat
comfort 4
cost 2
build quality 5
appearence 4
a heavy fiberglass seat pan with a leather seat covering and firm seat foam

Wanderer13
12-11-2010, 12:57 PM
Thanks for this thread Stretch. Finally, something motorcycle related and useful on this forum. I am running Pilot Road 2's on both my FJR and FZ1 and have been extremely happy with the ride and feel. Don't have enough miles on them yet to make any long term opinions.

sprint_st
12-12-2010, 05:51 AM
after market seats

for comparison purposes I will rate comfort by comparing milage travled wearing jeans before but pain becomes excruciating. obviously this is extremely subjective. once again I will convert my milage to a 1 to 5 rating scale for easier comparison purposes.
1 is poor 5 is excelent.

spencer seat mod
comfort 2
cost 5
build quality 2
appearence 2
factory seat with foam cut and or replaced.

sargent seat
comfort 3
cost 2
build quality 4
appearence 5
a light weight plastic (faux carbon) seat pan with marine grade vinyl and very soft memory foam. many include an underseat storage tube.

corbin seat
comfort 4
cost 2
build quality 5
appearence 4
a heavy fiberglass seat pan with a leather seat covering and firm seat foam
This is an excellent topic and it is commendable how you have tried to give a rating that most readers can relate to. Although many on this forum may know you, I, and I suspect others do not. What bike or bikes were these saddles on?
Just as an example I had Corbins on a Z1, Concours, Sprint ST and FJR. The first three were very similar to your rating but the FJR was a brick and worse than stock. The Spencer mod on the FJR turned out really well. IMO, and as wanderer13 alluded to, this is a very useful and interesting topic.

STRETCH
12-12-2010, 06:02 PM
Thanks for this thread Stretch. Finally, something motorcycle related and useful on this forum. I am running Pilot Road 2's on both my FJR and FZ1 and have been extremely happy with the ride and feel. Don't have enough miles on them yet to make any long term opinions.
Glad you like it.
please post up as many reviews as you can.
I may attempt a bike review this week.

STRETCH
12-12-2010, 06:08 PM
This is an excellent topic and it is commendable how you have tried to give a rating that most readers can relate to. Although many on this forum may know you, I, and I suspect others do not. What bike or bikes were these saddles on?
Just as an example I had Corbins on a Z1, Concours, Sprint ST and FJR. The first three were very similar to your rating but the FJR was a brick and worse than stock. The Spencer mod on the FJR turned out really well. IMO, and as wanderer13 alluded to, this is a very useful and interesting topic.
Thank you.
you make a very good point and to make my reviews even more subjective they include 3 different bikes.
My corbin was on a 2003 GSF1200 bandit
I had the spencer seat mod done to my 2002 ZZR1200 (the worst stock seat ever) I ordered a corbin for this bike, but it didn't arive until after I had already sold the bike.
and the Sargent is on my curent ride a 2002 FZ1.

I have a friend with a ST1300 who prefers his sargent to a corbin he tried, but he never did a long ride on the corbin.

Wanderer13
12-12-2010, 09:32 PM
The best option I have found for my FJR and FZ1 seats are sheepskin pads from Alaska Leathers. The keep your butt cooler in the summer (less monkey butt) and warmer in the winter. The only downside is in the rain. When I know I am going to hit rain, I just throw it in the tank bag. I have tried the Airhawk, beaded seat cover, etc. and this has worked best for me.

I just picked up a Scorpion EXO-1000 for $86 bucks delivered from Cyclegear a few weeks ago and have not yet got to test it out. My Shoei RF1000 is over 5 years old and was due to be replaced based on its age. I will try to give my thoughts on this helmet once I have put a few miles on it. I have heard the can be a little noisy but I always wear earplugs when I ride so that shouldn't be too much of an issue. For the price, I figured I would give it a try.

STRETCH
01-31-2011, 11:22 PM
2010 Icon Alliance helmet

This is my 3rd Icon alliance helmet
they have significantly changed the helmet for 2010
the helmet is now ECE22.05 certified and is no longer SNELL certified
the helmet is narower with a deaper chin bar
the eyeport is noticably larger, but the face shield from the old alliance can be made to fit with only minor modification.
the interior lining has changed and looks very plush, but feels pretty much the same (not a bad thing) the interior shape is said to be for a "long oval head form" and it is more narrow but the helmet is also tighter front to back.
the number of vents have doubled but the amount of airflow seems unchanged. airflow is OK but not spectacular.
The fog free shield is nothing short of amazing, and will not fog under any cirumstances.
measured on the shipping scale at work the new alliance helmet in size large is 3.6 lbs. 0.15 lbs lighter then my 2005 model.
the fake side plates are actualy part of the face shield and easily removed. the quick release face shield mechanism is unchanged from 2005.
the ear pockets are larger with more room for your ears compared to older models.

prices start at $190 for solid colors
mine was $220

This is the first helmet I've ever bought for the paint.
they call it Hi-Viz, and it is!

sprint_st
02-02-2011, 06:25 AM
Good lookin' helmet Stretch. Wish I had a head that would make helmet shopping easier. I've been looking for almost a year and just bought a Shoei RF1100. It is absolutely great but most of all it fits. I'm on the border between XL and XXL. After going though about ever helmet in MR Cycles in Asheville and Competition Accessories in Rock Hill (man, they have LOTs of helmets) the salesmen in both places said I had a Shoei head. Don't mind that except they are pricey. All the others had hot spots when I put them on. Can't imagine what that would be like after an hour or two on the road. Have you seen the prices on Arai's ---- WOW!!!

STRETCH
02-02-2011, 03:00 PM
funny you should mention it.
the Shoei RF1100 is the only helmet I tried on that was more comfortable for my head shape then the Alliance. But I just couldn't swing the $400
I understand the ventilation is a step up too. It is also a five star safety rated helmet from the Sharp helmet testers in the UK (the highest rating). here's a link they call it a XR1100 over there. http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testsratings/shoei-xr-1100
Unfortunately Icon only became ECE certified last year and they have yet to test any Icon helmets.
I think it's interesting that the salesman said you had a shoei head. I find the RF1000 and the new X12 to be verry uncomfortable for my head shape and the RF1100 to be verry comfortable.

sprint_st
02-03-2011, 06:51 AM
Yep, I know about the price. I was able to get it for $350 at Competition Accessories Warehouse, it's about $20 cheaper in NC or somewhere you don't pay SC tax. It replaced my 5+ year old RF1000 which was getting way too loose. I have always liked HJC helmets but ran into the fit issue. Wanted a modular too but NONE of those things fit regardless of price. The one helmet that I found that fit almost as well as the Shoei was a Bell Star. It was even more pricey but they had a Bell Vortex which was the same helmet but different construction for about $200. I finally pulled the trigger when I just figured I'll be in that brain bucket for ten to twelve hours at a pop. What has really surprised me about the RF1100 is how quiet it is.

SCFJR
02-04-2011, 09:46 AM
What has really surprised me about the RF1100 is how quiet it is.


Do you have experience with the RF900? My RF1000 is noticeably louder than the 900. Disappointing to say the least.
I am just curious. Not in the market to buy right now, but wondering if this is an actual improvement.

Desmo Demon
02-04-2011, 11:02 AM
Do you have experience with the RF900? My RF1000 is noticeably louder than the 900. Disappointing to say the least.
I think you'll just need to try one yourself. Vicki has an 8-Ball RF900 and was happy with the RF1000 until I bought her a Suomy Spec-1R. She said the Suomy fit her better and was really quiet compared to the RF1000. On the other hand, I thought the Suomy's fit and noise was much worse than the RF1000, but.......we both got excellent deals on Shoei X-11 helmets, and to date, these are the best helmets either of us have had the priviledge to have on our heads....I even crash tested one where I was pretty much knocked unconscious for 30-40 minutes from a blow to the forehead by a guardrail. From the small damage spot on the helmet, either the helmet is terrific, or I'm really easy to knock unconscious. :conf44: Marty (BuellBastard) said it was a pretty good hit from what he could tell when he watched it happen.

Recent helmets I've owned:
HJC LT-12
AGV Q3
AGV X-Vent
Shoei RF1000
Shoei X-11
Suomy Spec-1R

RyanK
02-04-2011, 11:07 AM
... It replaced my 5+ year old RF1000 which was getting way too loose....
You know you can get replacement cheek pads and strap covers right? I just made my old RF1000 feel like new again for ~$45. Unfortunately the inner pad isnt' replaceable, and mine is getting kinda work after ~60,000 miles, so I'll probably be due for a new helmet next year.

That Hi-Viz sure is!

STRETCH
02-04-2011, 07:26 PM
I searched for my new helmet for about 6 months.
I've primarily been using these 2 sourses
webbikeworld.com for reviews, helmet shapes, venting etc. and
sharp.direct.gov.uk for safety ratings.

Ironicly the helmet I ended up with has not been reviewed yet by either source.

sprint_st
02-04-2011, 08:53 PM
You know you can get replacement cheek pads and strap covers right? I just made my old RF1000 feel like new again for ~$45. Unfortunately the inner pad isnt' replaceable, and mine is getting kinda work after ~60,000 miles, so I'll probably be due for a new helmet next year.

That Hi-Viz sure is!
Yep, my old RF1000 has brand spankin' new cheek pads, but the inner liner is what was loose. Up in the forehead region. IMO, as the fit goes, the noise increases because I remember my RF1000 seemed real quit when it was new.

RyanK
02-05-2011, 11:19 AM
... IMO, as the fit goes, the noise increases because I remember my RF1000 seemed real quit when it was new.

Agreed. I was recently thinking mine seems a bit noisier than it used to now that you mention it... (I put my old cheekpads in to fit with my winter headgear). Seems like one of those things that changes so slowly that you don't realize it until you try something else.

STRETCH
03-02-2011, 04:35 PM
motion pro (R) clutch cable

I have never trusted clutch cables, I prefer hydraulic.
I decided it was time to retire my 8 year old clutch cable 2 years ago and spent more then $40 on a replacement from motion pro.
after 6 months the motion pro cable snapped (100 miles from home :punish: )
I reinstalled the original clutch cable and have used it without incident for the last 2 years.

I for one will never waste my money on a nother motion pro product.

Desmo Demon
03-02-2011, 08:38 PM
I for one will never waste my money on another motion pro product.
My Two Cents - I've got a Motion Pro chain break and rivet tool that has seen enough use to finally strip the threads on the main ID and OD threaded shaft section, as I often did not grind down the protruding section of the pins on several 520, 525, and 530 chains. I e-mailed the company asking about replacement part numbers and prices, and instead they sent me that part and the long threaded bolt that goes inside of it for free with free shipping. Other than this, I have not had any other experience with their products, but their customer service left a positive impression on me.

STRETCH
03-14-2011, 06:33 PM
EK MVXZ chain

Simply put probably the best chain I ever ran.
Mine was a 520 conversion with a 9,0000 lb tensil (sp) strength and a pin diamiter slightly larger then a DID 530 chain. but 2.5lbs lighter
After 51,000 miles and over 2 years of riding in every possible condition (including some dirt and off road) I finaly decided to replace it.
I did have to replace the front sprocket @ about 25,000 miles.

they offer an 11,0000 lb tensil strength ZZZ 530 chain. over kill for a little FZ1 but if you kneed a chain for your turbo charged busa, you may want to give it a try.

sprint_st
03-15-2011, 07:30 AM
EK MVXZ chain

Simply put probably the best chain I ever ran.
Mine was a 520 conversion with a 9,0000 lb tensil (sp) strength and a pin diamiter slightly larger then a DID 530 chain. but 2.5lbs lighter
After 51,000 miles and over 2 years of riding in every possible condition (including some dirt and off road) I finaly decided to replace it.
I did have to replace the front sprocket @ about 25,000 miles.

they offer an 11,0000 lb tensil strength ZZZ 530 chain. over kill for a little FZ1 but if you kneed a chain for your turbo charged busa, you may want to give it a try.
When you get that chain, try using DuPont MultiPurpose Teflon Lubricant rather than your favorite Bel Ray or PJ1. Goes on wet but dries to a grey coating.

Just a comment on chains. IMO, changing sprockets every time you change a chain is BS, maybe changing the counter shaft sprocket every time has validity but if you maintain proper tension and clean the chain once in a while you might get two rears per chain. IMO, many of the current crop of chain lubes just make a paste that grinds the chain and sprockets away prematurely. Slightly loose is better than even a little tight too. You guys already know that but my fingers needed the exercise :D

STRETCH
03-15-2011, 11:30 AM
When you get that chain, try using DuPont MultiPurpose Teflon Lubricant rather than your favorite Bel Ray or PJ1. Goes on wet but dries to a grey coating.

IMO, many of the current crop of chain lubes just make a paste that grinds the chain and sprockets away prematurely. Slightly loose is better than even a little tight too. You guys already know that but my fingers needed the exercise :D

you make a good point. I used the DuPont lube exclusively on this chain and attribute that to my being able to get over 50,000 from an aluminum rear sprocket. chain wax is the worse, it actual attracts grit and turns the lube into a kind of sand paper between your chain and sprocket. the self cleaning properties of the DuPont multipurpose certainly extends chain and sprocket life. I would have provided a review here but had already posted one on this forum about a year ago.

http://www.carolinariders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3812&highlight=dupont

STRETCH
04-25-2011, 07:32 PM
now 27 tire reviews
unfortunately While I typicly rate tire wear by center tread for better concistency (sp) I was unable to wear out the center of my roadsmart rear tire, The sides wore far to quickly. as quickly or quicker then a pilot power
As long as tire pressure was kept below 36 psi. I found grip to be good, but If you spend more time in the twistys then on the highway I feel there are better tires for your money.

bandit01
05-01-2011, 06:52 AM
now 27 tire reviews
unfortunately While I typicly rate tire wear by center tread for better concistency (sp) I was unable to wear out the center of my roadsmart rear tire, The sides wore far to quickly. as quickly or quicker then a pilot power
As long as tire pressure was kept below 36 psi. I found grip to be good, but If you spend more time in the twistys then on the highway I feel there are better tires for your money.

As much as I used to ride twisties, I could never wear the sides down on the rear tire before the center. I was tossing fronts away 1-2k miles sooner because I hit cords on the sides.

The roadsmart is the 1st tire that I've gotten over 5k miles on and I still wore out the center first. I loved it because it had tons of grip on the sides, and I could only break it loose in the wet in the center.

I'd be running the roadsmart rear for ever and ever if I didn't find some old continentals on amazon for half the price.

Other than that, my experience with the few tires on your review that I've run have been quite consistent. Thanks for posting!

I bought the EBC HH pads 4 years ago and I'm still running the original pads. They're getting to the point that they're worn enough that I should change them. I'll do a brake rebuild at the same time to get the gunk off the pistons. Any extra wear on the rotors?? I hear those are pretty expensive to replace.

sprint_st
05-31-2011, 08:26 AM
Just a tire comment and a short product review.

Just pulled off my first set of Pilot Powers. 2300 miles, in wear bars but no chords. Best guess is that I had 100 to 200 miles to chords after watching the wear closely from about 1900 miles on. Love the way they handle, but I'm going back to PR2's because I don't like planning long trips around tire wear.

Last year I had a short in a Signal Dynamics LED license bracket leave me stranded on US460 near Narrows, Va, pretty much in the middle of nowhere. How does a light kill the bike???? It's a Triumph thing, but basically if the light fuse keeps blowing because you can't find the source of the short, the bike won't start or keep running. Well Signal Dynamics "fixed" the LED. Saturday, I start the bike and see the LED smoking, same problem but I knew the fix and got back on the road. Had a similar LED on my FJR a while back, it had to be replaced. Moral of this story, think twice before you buy any LED device from Signal Dynamics.

STRETCH
05-31-2011, 04:43 PM
I bought the EBC HH pads 4 years ago and I'm still running the original pads. They're getting to the point that they're worn enough that I should change them. I'll do a brake rebuild at the same time to get the gunk off the pistons. Any extra wear on the rotors?? I hear those are pretty expensive to replace.

It's hard to say every bike I've owned has gotten HH pads with the first pad change. So I've never worn out a rotor with stock pads. I've never noticed accelerated rotor wear from the HH pads. The only rotors I've replaced to date were for warpage on a relatively low milage ZZR1200

STRETCH
07-05-2011, 12:35 PM
just an update on the goldfren pads.
I don't use alot of rear brake, but some time in the last 10 or 15,000 miles I guess these new pads broke in. I started noticing recently significantly more bite. Just out of curiosty I applied firm rear brake only and slid the rear tire yesterday (pilot power 36psi) This was not possible when I first installed these pads. not even with twice the pedal effort. Still not grabby, but I miss the extra safety margin of the initial weak pads. these would probably lock pretty easy under the weight transfer of combined front and rear braking
at the curent friction level they would make a decent front pad, provided you don't mind the extended brake in period
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Gold Fren brake pads

I tried this (new to me) inexpensive brand for a rear brake pad.
I was pleasantly suprised with its performance.
I will not be replacing my EBC HH front pads, but I like them.

they came with HH proudly displayed on the front of the package.
this is complete BS. the initial bite may actualy be a little less then stock (I find this a good thing on the easily locked rear tire) however under hard braking the goldfren brake pads do provide more braking force then the stock pads. The increase in braking force is linear and progressive. very easy to modulate, and may actualy encourage me to use more rear brake in my riding. Recently I had shyed away from using rear brake at all in the twisties due to repeated problems with locking the rear under hard braking.

for comparison purposes I went out today and rode with my Sumitomo stock pads using rear brake in verying situations before swapping to the new gold fren pads.
I reused the metal shims from the sumitomo pads on the new goldfren pads.

these Gold Fren pads recieved alot of negative press from the same person posting on several forums. Granted I have not tried them as a front brake pad but for the rear I think these are an excelent value, and curently my prefered pad on the rear.

STRETCH
08-10-2011, 05:10 PM
now 26 tire reviews.
I just added a review for the BT014F this is a factory tire and not the same as an off the shelf BT014.
I actualy had this tire melting at 38psi on 95-100 degree days when pushed more then about 75% on the road.
This is the first tire I have ever experienced a greasy feeling from over heating.
the rubber compound was rediculously soft and wore (even at higher tire pressures) faster then some race compounds I have tried including a pilot race Soft.
It did leave these realy nice darkies in the corners. no brakes, maint. throttle only...

Desmo Demon
08-10-2011, 08:29 PM
I actualy had this tire melting at 38psi on 95-100 degree days when pushed more then about 75% on the road.
This is the first tire I have ever experienced a greasy feeling from over heating.
I had the same thing happen with a Pirelli Diablo on Hwy 17/75 in northern GA a few years ago on a hot day. The rear end was sliding all over the place, and when I checked the tire, instad of it being dull black with the rippling of rubber, it was very glossy and slick and was very smooth (looked like it was literally melting). I've never had it happen with a Diablo but the one time, and only for about five miles worth of road.

STRETCH
11-14-2011, 05:43 PM
I ordered these heated grips for $40 and installed them today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/140628771562?_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648&item=140628771562&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWNX:IT&vxp=mtr
I was iritated that the seller tried to force me to send them my phone # but eventualy agreed to ship them without.
first impressions. These grips are friggen huge. If you don't where a XL glove or larger you may want to look else where. It's like a 1" bar with large gripps and grip puppies. I wear a XXXL glove so it isn't realy an issue for me.
You may think these ultra thick grips would absorb some vibration but no more then thin grips.
the left grip was a normaly tight fit but the right grip was loose on the throtle tube. But a loop of duct tape on the throttle tube made for a nice tight fit.
there is a hard plastic tube on the iside of both grips that makes them easier to install. I drove the left grip on with a rubber malet, and simply stood on the grip/throtle tube to press it together (obviously off the bike)
they do seem reasonably warm, however I haven't had a chance to try them on a realy cold night yet. This is the first heated grip I have bought this cheap with more then 1 power setting. The smal dial mounted to the handle bar adjusts power level from hi to low or off. I also wired a 40amp relay so that they can not be left on when the bike is off. I would have been disapointed with the minor imperfections had they been expensive but at this price (provided your hands are large enough) I feel it was worth the money.

law1200
01-02-2012, 09:48 PM
I ran the the electric grips for about 2 years and my hands would still get cold because a lot of my long trips happened in the winter when my business would slow down. For short rides they are okay and better than nothing but if you really want some warm hands u have got to get the electric gloves.

I like the electric gear so much that I bought some electric socks and put them on and road around the block it was like having some small hands massaging my feet as they soaked in warm water.

bCool
01-03-2012, 05:34 AM
I ran the the electric grips for about 2 years and my hands would still get cold because a lot of my long trips happened in the winter when my business would slow down. For short rides they are okay and better than nothing but if you really want some warm hands u have got to get the electric gloves.

I like the electric gear so much that I bought some electric socks and put them on and road around the block it was like having some small hands massaging my feet as they soaked in warm water.
How about a link to the socks, Amos. In the market for some. Hope Sabrinia is doing better. :scooter:

law1200
01-03-2012, 07:24 AM
I don't have a link, they are made by First Gear and any local dealer can get them. Cycle Gear may carry them in stock there is one thing I would like to add about any electric gear made by First Gear you have to have a temp controller for there products (not included). Bcool I know u already have a electric jacket so u r good the the socks will plug in the the jacket and can be controlled by it. You will also need a connection cable which is sold separate. O'yeah price for the socks is around $60.00 I don't know how much the cable is I already had one.

bandit01
01-04-2012, 09:14 AM
I picked up a few ideas from some friends. I bought a set of handlebar guards from the vstrom. Only minor modification was required. Nice protection of bugs and road debris, but lets a lot of wind through when it's really cold. A trip to Taiwan gave me the idea to wrap the entire handlbar assembly with a waterproof, windproof fabric. That makes a big difference, but still my hands get cold if I have to adjust my visor or anything else. I need to get some anti-fog on my face shield so i can keep my hands in the cozy place.

I'll try to get pictures. It's also nice to have a wife who can sew.

Bucky
01-07-2012, 08:25 AM
Info here about handlebar muffs, heated grips, warm clothing, and visor fogging:

Dressing for Cold Weather Riding -- Take III (http://buckysride.blogspot.com/2011/12/dressing-for-cold-weather-riding-take.html)

Dressing for Cold Weather Riding -- Take II (http://buckysride.blogspot.com/2010/03/dressing-for-cold-weather-riding-take.html)

Dressing for Cold Weather Riding (http://buckysride.blogspot.com/2009/11/dressing-for-cold-weather-riding.html)

STRETCH
01-30-2012, 07:01 PM
a new brake pad review has been added on page 1 http://www.carolinariders.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44498#post44498

I also picked up a spare helmet today.http://img.cheapautoparts.com/m/146/BLT_BLH2-SZ-XSM/L/bilt_blaze_full_face_motorcycle_helmet_silver_xs
One of the $50 full face helmets from cycle gear under there brand name BILT.
Of all the helmet designs they offer only the basic full face model with no frills appealed to me or fit my head.
I made this purchase with almost no expectations, but was pleasantly suprised with my purchase so far.
the helmet has suprisingly good ventilation, for such tiny openeings, especialy the chin vent which directs a large amount of air on your face when opened (not just on the face shield). The top vent is a bit less effective, but not the worse I've ever tried.
the cheak pads, and (maybe the lining, not sure) are removable for cleaning. and the chin strap comes with a retention snap. albeit a plastic one.
Our calibrated scale here at work puts my size large at a very average maybe slightly heavy by todays standards 3.50 lbs
and whatever the quality of BILT products in general I always enjoy the excelent customer service I recieve at cycle gear.
the face shield locking mechanism is a bit harder to use then most other quick release shield, but it does lock it positively in place (unlike some but not all Icon and Z1R shields) It is a good thing the chin venting is good becouse leaving the face shield cracked is not an option. The first detent is about 1/3 open.

RyanK
02-06-2012, 11:47 AM
RE: Bilt

Cody bought some vented summer boots. Good fit. So-so construction and materials. Not bad for the price he paid at all (~$50)

And my family all likes Cycle Gear.

STRETCH
04-17-2012, 07:01 PM
a new brake pad review has been added on page 1 http://www.carolinariders.com/forums/showthread.php?p=44498#post44498

I also picked up a spare helmet today.http://img.cheapautoparts.com/m/146/BLT_BLH2-SZ-XSM/L/bilt_blaze_full_face_motorcycle_helmet_silver_xs
One of the $50 full face helmets from cycle gear under there brand name BILT.
Of all the helmet designs they offer only the basic full face model with no frills appealed to me or fit my head.
I made this purchase with almost no expectations, but was pleasantly suprised with my purchase so far.
the helmet has suprisingly good ventilation, for such tiny openeings, especialy the chin vent which directs a large amount of air on your face when opened (not just on the face shield). The top vent is a bit less effective, but not the worse I've ever tried.
the cheak pads, and (maybe the lining, not sure) are removable for cleaning. and the chin strap comes with a retention snap. albeit a plastic one.
Our calibrated scale here at work puts my size large at a very average maybe slightly heavy by todays standards 3.50 lbs
and whatever the quality of BILT products in general I always enjoy the excelent customer service I recieve at cycle gear.
the face shield locking mechanism is a bit harder to use then most other quick release shield, but it does lock it positively in place (unlike some but not all Icon and Z1R shields) It is a good thing the chin venting is good becouse leaving the face shield cracked is not an option.The first detent is about 1/3 open. .


Just an update on this helmet review.
I've been comuting with this built helmet since the weather warmed up. It is pretty comfy and the ventilation is better then my Icons or HJC. I only realy had 2 complaints with this helmet. The first, and most anoying is that the windshield first detent is much to high (1/4 - 1/3 open) I fixed this with a soddering iron by modifying the detents on the face shield itself, esentialy adding another detent prior to the first. It now works perfectly. The only other thing about this helmet that bothered me was the name. I just felt a little self concios riding around with a helmet with the BUILT name brand. My fix for this would have made Peanut proud. Nothing a sticker couldn't fix:hysterical:

papadaddyo
04-18-2012, 09:30 AM
Dangit im still half asleep, but i fully expected ur helmet 2 say -suzuki- on it :crazyass:

bandit01
04-19-2012, 07:28 PM
Thanks for testing out the helmet. I passed up on a sale they were having just because I was leery. I love the sticker BTW.

Wonder what their fixed full face helmets are like. They might be good for track days for those of us that can't take our flip-ups to the track.

STRETCH
04-19-2012, 08:34 PM
Thanks for testing out the helmet. I passed up on a sale they were having just because I was leery. I love the sticker BTW.

Wonder what their fixed full face helmets are like. They might be good for track days for those of us that can't take our flip-ups to the track.

This review was for a fixed full face helmet. the modular and full face with flip down tinted shield would not fit my head.
These are DOT only helmets and some tracks require a SNELL certification.
the air flow in this helmet is impressive. especialy now that I have fixed the face shield so I can ride with it cracked. I think I will realy like it when summer gets here.

STRETCH
06-28-2012, 05:22 PM
Brake Pads

kevlar brake pads from D2MOTO
these pads were only $12 plus shipping
Initial impressions were "aaaaagggggggghhhhhhh I'M NOT STOPPING"
However once bedded in (about 1-200 miles) stopping power was = or greater then stock pads. inital bite is very light and grows very linearly to a max just shy of being able to lift the rear wheel. It is much easier to precisely modulate braking pressure when trying to scrub off just a little speed. However stopping distance is increased when compared to a HH rated brake pad like the ones from DP or EBC. It also requires nearly twice the lever pressure to obtain the same stopping speed under normal driving conditions. I was forced to add steel braided brake lines in order to apply suficient pad pressure for quick stops. This would have negated the cost savings of the cheaper pads, but I had some lines (not intended for this bike) that I made work.

An update on the D2MOTO carbon Kevlar pads. I've grown to relay like these pads under most circumstances. they are very linear with a light initial grab (good for scrubbing off just a little bit of speed) but powerful enough to loft the rear wheel with a 4 finger squeeze when combined with steel brake lines.
There is one very serious concern I have discovered recently. When riding in a hard rain a much harder squeeze is required to obtain the same braking force. A light one finger squeeze provided frighteningly little effect. This may be a deal braker for me. Too bad realy because like I said I've grown to realy like them under most circumstances.

STRETCH
08-07-2012, 06:52 PM
now 29 tire reviews.

STRETCH
09-19-2012, 11:25 PM
I've just completed my 30th and probably last street tire review.
The Q2 was a very soft rubber but due to its deeper tread the wear life was almost identical to the pilot power. I didn't get a chance to test it in particularly warm conditions but it blistered and peeled under any aggressive riding.

bCool
09-20-2012, 12:17 PM
I've just completed my 30th and probably last street tire review.
The Q2 was a very soft rubber but due to its deeper tread the wear life was almost identical to the pilot power. I didn't get a chance to test it in particularly warm conditions but it blistered and peeled under any aggressive riding.
Funny you post that. I was just trying to decide between PP and Q2's. You know that I am a pp fan, but as some have said, the pp's break loose without warning, (Happened once, spare underwear in tailbag) but "they" say the Q2's slip gradually so you know the limit and when it's coming. But you never pressed the Q2's? Stretch, I'm appalled! Which tire would you buy if grip and a hint that you are losing traction are your top priorities?
:scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

STRETCH
09-20-2012, 04:02 PM
By "not pushing them" I mean to say that my knee dragging days are over. I did of course grind a bit more metal off of the foot pegs. As I stated the rubber is noticeably softer than the PP tires. Under the right circumstances this may provide better grip. My concern is that under heavy loads in hot conditions they may get greasy (melting rubber), In which case they might let go suddenly. This is of course speculation as I did not ride this tire in temperature above the mid 80s. I didn't notice any slips until the tread wore below the wear bars. After that point the tire started to talk to me a bit, letting me know that if I did decide to push a bit harder it might let go.

STRETCH
12-07-2012, 04:45 PM
I ordered this volt meter from hongkong exactly 1 month ago when my $50 volt meter from jakewillson stopped working.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-24V-Digital-LED-Auto-Car-TRUCK-SYSTEM-Voltmeter-Gauge-Voltage-Volt-Meter-/120961484517?hash=item1c29ddc6e5&item=120961484517&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/12V-24V-Digital-LED-Auto-Car-TRUCK-SYSTEM-Voltmeter-Gauge-Voltage-Volt-Meter-/00/s/NjAwWDYwMA==/$(KGrHqFHJCEE9EDFg9wmBP(WCIM+e!~~60_1.JPG
I didn't expect accuracy for $2.31 shipped but after comparing both to a calibrated volt meter the cheap one is much more accurate, showing only a 0.1v deviation from the calibrated gauge.

The current location is only a mock up for testing purposes. If I intended to keep this bike I would permanently instal the lighter style power outlet in the inner fairing of the bike. Unfortunately I have decided to put the old girl up for sale. But I will probably save this for another bike.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/Vmeter.jpg

STRETCH
04-16-2013, 07:44 PM
Trail-tech Vapor gauge.
I've been eyeing these for years, but never felt the necesity until I bought the DR which came only with a hoeplesly optimistic mechanical speedo with only 3 hash marks between every 10 mph.
I felt I needed a tach and a clock as minimum equipment, and the vapor gauge offered this + a precision speedo with a digital readout (like most modern bikes) and a temperature gauge.

I was initialy unimpressed with the kit that was supposed to be specific to my bike. It came with a universal mounting kit that just wouldn't fit right, (fabricated my own mounting bracket) and some universal leads that had to be spliced or modified to fit. even the instructions were vague and not bike specific.

Today I took it for a test spin, and all is forgiven. I would have paid the $89 just for the precision digital speedo, which was accurate to within 0.1 mph at 50mph (GPS confirmed) without my even having to calibrate it. All of the other features (which seem to work well) are just gravy at this point.
http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/vapor_zps3f165aec.png

STRETCH
05-22-2013, 06:14 AM
despite the mighty DR having an unusually comfortable seat for a dirt bike (I've had several street bikes that were worse) there is always room for improvement. all the traditional options were there, Corbin (usually too hard), Sargent (usually too soft) and a few others I haven't tried yet. But I discovered a new trend that I hope catches on. It seems if you are willing to take the some assembly required route there is a substantial savings. For my bike there was a couple of companies offering replacement foam and covers (re-use your stock seat pan) and a company called seat concepts (R) seemed to have good reviews, so I gave them a try. The box arrived yesterday around 16:00 and by 18:00 I had a new seat. In additition to being 1/2 the price of a Corbin it came in choices of 2 different densities and 3 different heights. I chose the firm foam in the tall height. It is also quite a bit wider where I sit while still narrow where I stand. Reaching the ground is not an issue for me. They don't call me stretch for nothing :P The seat sits about 30mm taller than stock and is constructed of a nice supportive high density foam with about a half inch of soft foam over the top. Finally, a major seat manufacturer figured out the proper combination. This provides a soft seat for short rides, but plenty of support for long rides. The best of both worlds. Seat concepts also offers different covering options ,most at no extra charge. I went with the gripper top and vinyl sides.Today’s commute was very enjoyable I will report back after a full days ride.

here is the new seat.

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/seatconcepts1_zps93c16a65.jpg

side view, as you can see it's pretty tall. Those "wrinkles" are actually sewn into the seat. I guess they are for looks...

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/seatconcepts2_zps470d202d.jpg

stock seat for comparison.
One of you hooligans want to steal this sign for me? :P

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/untitled_zpscbbc100d.png

the old seat beside the new seat (cover loosely installed)

http://i1056.photobucket.com/albums/t374/stretch160/seats_zpsad3f1193.jpg

So far this company specializes in dirt and dual sport seats, but I noticed they have a few street bike offerings too. Hopefully these options will continue to expand. I think this is a good option for those who aren’t afraid of a little do it yourself.